"Very eloquently expressed, " Seconded, but I'm not sure it alters or even challenges anything I've said so far Liking or singing music hall or MacColl songs does not make them 'folk', which is a process, not a preference or type of song Some of MacColl's best songs teeterd on the edge of becoming traditional in the communities that still retained a living Tradition, but they will always be MacColl's songs because they bore his name and his copyright, no matter what changes take place - change isn't tradition either Unfortunately, one of the aspects introduced by the revival is that of personal ownership - many come with the stamp "arranged by" - this includes traditional songs Unlike the old compositions, song are coming into the world still-born - communities can no longer take ownership of them as the traditional communities did It still irks me that one of the greatest finds of the twentieth century, The Maid and the Palmer', given by a travelling man who lived in a derelict house and died of the effects of malnutrition, can be copyrighted If that is the case with a centuries old ballad, what chance does a newly composed song have of becoming 'ours'? Jim Carroll
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