Raggy, he supports Liverpool. That's Scouse enough... ;-)

Keith, the waffle occurs every time you decide to inhabit because you feel the need to minutely adjust your position 46 times, whilst never conceding that you're wrong about anything... Anyway. Thank you for your clarification, but I don't see it. I've done you the courtesy of reading back through the thread. There is absolutely no xenophobia from Steve. Quite the reverse, if anything. In everything I've read from Steve, he is probably less that than I am, and I wouldn't consider myself xeno- at all! You complain that it is his support of immigration policies that lead to your allegations of "uncontrolled immigration", etcetera. But if he supports immigration policies more than you do, he can hardly be xenophobic, now can he! Unless, in fact, it is you that is the xenophobic one...

Keith, you are, as I have already said, a bloody idiot. I could dissect your utterings at greater length, but you wouldn't get it; you never have.

I can call Steve a fool (aren't we all, in some respects?), Raggy too, and several others. They'll accept it, even if they don't agree. They understand that it's an expression that ultimately means that they are being blinkered & narrow-minded about a particular point, rather than some random bunch of internet pixels (which is all we are to each other) being abusive. But you, Keith? I genuinely am sorry to say this, but repeatedly & repetitively, you are both stupid & ignorant. You are incapable of understanding that which you do not wish to understand, and you do not, or will not, listen to facts that contradict what you want to insist IS. I've seen you do it time and again. And again & again & again... It's a real shame. The care you take over making your arguments suggests you aren't actually stupid (incapable of understanding), but you remain wilfully ignorant (I'll ignore facts I don't like & comments I can't answer). I'm an old, old hand on t'internet, I'm afraid, never mind Mudcat. Life too, I suppose. I've run across the generic, cliched "you" many times. I've never found a way of making that 'you' understand what you're doing or how you are repeatedly undermining your own point of view. I really wish I could.