There is a clear distinction to be made in this and other threads. between folks who can make clear statements of facts and events and link to useful articles from outside this thread, yet be critical of Israel while open to ideas and concepts and refrain from ad hominem attacks. I have no problem with these posters. There are other posters who are contentious and abusive and repetitive. They do not have anything new to add but they insist on bringing in the same old tropes (Nazis especially. What reason is there to bring up Nazis except to be personally offensive?) and they are easily provoked into personal observations. They are ultimately not convincing even to themselves (or they wouldn't be so repetitive and self-righteous).