"If you are who I think Mr Poet I rather suspect Max would be high on your list of unamerican people to err ..... need I say more."

Yes, you do -- you need to apologize for ascribing sentiments to me that I don't hold. I don't know who you think I am, but I have never suggested that anyone participating in this discussion is un-American. Not even you. In my opinion some are misguided, but that's what it is -- my opinion. Some of the people I've referred to have proven to my satisfaction that they're evil, but I named the names, or at least the organizational affiliations, of the malefactors.

"You know what is wrong here, you are looking at the Waco thing like the Davidians were innocents, well I disagree."

As is your privilege.

"They pointed loaded weapons at Law Officers. What does that tell you?"

It tells me that they believed they were defending themselves. In light of subsequent events they had every reason to believe so. Lest you put words in my mouth, most people who point loaded weapons at officers of the law deserve to be shot. In the case of Waco, time was on the side of the true officers of the *law*, the local and state law enforcement officials, and they were willing to take as long as it took to bring the standoff to a peaceful conclusion. It was the feds who precipitated the deaths of the innocent (if deluded, but in America that's not a crime) as well as the guilty. If they were in the right, why was there such a scramble by the federal "authorities" to cover up starting about the time the first flames burst from the compound?

"Rubyridge, well go read the news again!"

You believe what you read in the news? Not a good idea. I read the trial transcript, as a result of which testimony Randy Weaver was awarded substantial monetary damages because the feds were found to be in the wrong. I'm sure he'd rather have had his family back -- in my opinion he should have at least been given five minutes alone with the cowardly FBI sniper who murdered his wife.

"Again and why are you defending these people? "

It's my sort-of-old-testament concept of justice. You defend the innocent and expose and punish the guilty.

You do make one fundamental error, GUEST. You seem to think that the United States and the people who happen to be running it at any point in time are interchangeable. I think it's at least foolish and perhaps dangerous to do that. The United States, a government of the *people*, by the *people*, and for the *people*, is one of the most glorious institutions in the history of mankind and must be defended and preserved *at all costs*. When it's run by evil men and women crimes committed in its name are often laid at its feet, but not by me. If any laws in this country need to be changed, it is those which protect criminals who hold office (like Janet Reno) from prosecution. At the very least she's a conspirator to obstruct justice and an accessory after the fact to murder in the second degree.

Now I really am out of here. Feel free to have the last word, only please let my words speak without your interpretation.