Bruce, your logic is failing. I said there is a difference between morality and criminal law. Morality is a personal thing guiding personal conduct and values, enforced by conscience and social norms and taboos. Criminal law is societal, enforced by sanctions. I may not respect a criminal law that I think is unjust, but I'll still go to jail if I'm convicted of violating that law.

And yes, my personal opinion is that sanctuary for refugees is sacred, and that America's obsession with gun ownership is perverse. Sorry, Bruce, but I see no sanctity in guns. But you have the law on your side, Bruce. Americans can own guns, and they do so by the hundreds of millions. I am surrounded by armed neighbors who shoot bears and mountain lions and coyotes and rattlesnakes and people who go near their marijuana patches. Well, usually they only threaten the people.

And though I see sanctuary for refugees as sacred, I know that harboring felons is a crime. The California sanctuary law does not allow harboring of felons.

In your example of the roommate rape/killings, the victims most likely had a legal right to keep guns in their residence and to use them for personal protection. Perhaps it wasn't legal for them to have military weapons with 40-shot magazines, but there are few if any places in the U.S. where people are not allowed to keep weapons at home and to use them for personal protection. It's a dramatic example, I suppose, but was it illegal for the victims to possess guns?

Now, all those millions of people with guns don't make me feel safe at all, but the law gives them the right to bear arms - with restrictions that are considered reasonable by the legislatures We the People have elected.
So, Bruce, what's your point?

Joe

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