That's it from me on those two now, Raggy. I can only suggest you and others employ the same tactic.

It is impossible to conduct a decent discussion with Keith at the table, twisting, turning and making up his own rules. We now know that talking through him is the only way to avoid his nonsense. Even the most tolerant of posters has now called it a day. It is becoming increasingly apparent that any discussion Iains is also becoming intolerable with the puerile abuse and wild mood swings. I suggest that he should also be avoided at all costs.