Sorry if I gave that impression, Stanron. That is just what i am trying to avoid. I am saying that a formal debate as you describe is not what the Mudcat discussion forum is for. To me it therefore follows that trying to win an audience, panel or judge over is a pointless exercise on here. It is trying to win something or win someone over that should be avoided. The fact that there are no debating rules on Mudcat results in some people exploiting that situation and often causing conflict by so doing.

If we avoid engaging in 'free for all debating' I think it would be a start. Not everyone will do it but if enough people start to avoid it, maybe we can clean up the BS section.