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Steve Shaw BS: Post Brexit life in the UK (6498* d) RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK 16 Jul 18


"The EU is undemocratic. We were never allowed to vote on stuff they reckoned we would reject. We cannot elect any of the people who originate policy."

Note the weasel words here. "We" can vote on all EU policy, and, indeed, we have the power of veto in many policy areas, unlike some smaller nations. We are one of the most influential nations when it comes to drawing up EU law and, out of thousands of laws or regulations brought into being since we joined, we have demurred on less than three percent of them - outvoted, not non-voted. There is no scheme for disallowing such votes. "The people who originate policy" are elected representatives acting on the suggestions, and only the suggestions, of commissioners. Those commissioners can't bring policy into being - which is what I understand by the word "originate," a word you apparently chose in order to obfuscate. You might as well accuse all UK governments of being undemocratic because they have unelected advisers suggesting policy to ministers. The EU is a large organisation with a necessarily large bureaucracy, but it's no less democratic than any of its member states. We get that you are a solid leaver, but if you wish to make your case it would help if you stuck to the facts.




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