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Richie Origins: James Madison Carpenter- Child Ballads 4 (114* d) RE: Origins: James Madison Carpenter- Child Ballads 4 29 Jul 18


Wow TY Kevin and Mick,

You can email to Richiematt7@gmail.com if you want.

Now if you or someone can explain Broadwood's two versions of "King Henry my Son" dated 1907 JFSS and 1908 English Traditional Songs and Carols, I will be grateful. They have the same melody and both are from Miss Lattimer, and are both from Cumberland however the texts are different and the ballad info is different. Two different versions?

Here's the one sung by Mr. Lattimer of Carlisle learnt, very long since when he was in Cumberland, as a boy. The JFSS says "Noted by Miss Lattimer, communicated by Sydney Nicholson" but Nicholson was "organist at Carlisle Cathedral in 1905 and he turned in one or two songs from various sources" so he obviously didn't need for her to write the melody down.

From: Songs from Cumberland & Northumberland
by Frank Kidson, Lucy E. Broadwood, A. G. Gilchrist, Ralph Vaughan Williams, Cecil J. Sharp
Journal of the Folk-Song Society, Vol. 3, No. 10 (1907), pp. 39-46

King Henry my Son

"Oh, where have you been wandering, King Henery, my son,
[Oh,] where have you been wandering, my pretty one?"
"I've been to my sweetheart's,mother, make my bed soon,
For I'm sick to the heart, and would fain lay me down."

"And what did your sweetheart give you, King Henery, my son,
What did your sweetheart give you, my pretty one?"
"She fried me some paddocks,* mother, make my bed soon,
For I'm sick at the heart, and would fain lay me down."

"And what will you leave your sweetheart, King Henery, my son?
What will you leave your sweetheart, my pretty one?
"My garter to hang her, mother, make my bed soon,
For I'm sick at the heart, and would fain lay me down!

*toads

* * * *

A bit baffled, which is why it takes so long to go through all the variants
Richie




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