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Can anybody give us additional information about the song "Spencer Rifle"? Cordelia's Dad recorded the song on their album, Spine. LEJ, where did you get your lyrics? From Cordelia's Dad? The lyrics from LEJ match the Cordelia's Dad Website lyrics exactly.

    Thread #46131   Message #683052
    Posted By: Lonesome EJ
    04-Apr-02 - 03:33 PM
    Thread Name: 'Unprintable Songs' (Randolph/Legman)
    Subject: Lyr Add: SPENCER RIFLE

    Vance Randolph compiled a huge amount of folk material he collected throughout the Ozark Mountains. Much of it was recorded and released immediately, but another whole genre of songs and stories were set aside as too off-color for the popular taste. Recently, this off-color material was printed as Unprintable Songs. This book sells for $60, and it isn't currently in my budget, but as a fan of naughty stuff in general, I'm highly interested in the songs. Does anyone have the book? If so, can you post any lyrics from it? I'll post one that I have found below.

    SPENCER RIFLE

    When Johnny came to my house,
    I swore he'd come to see me.
    Soon I'd found the rascal out,
    he'd only come to squeeze me.

    He grabbed me round the slender waist,
    and on the bed he throwed me.
    The prettiest thing I ever saw,
    he pulled it out and showed me.

    He said it was his little gun.
    He asked how it would suit me.
    He shoved it down between my thighs
    and swore by God he'd shoot me.

    Well, I said, "John, your gun's no good,
    or your no good at gunning.
    If you can't hit a lying mark,
    then what'd you do a-running."

    Well, "Gee," said John, "my gun's alright.
    I got it from Old Spencer.
    Now you lie still, and hold the mark,
    and I'll sure knock it center."

    Well, Katie laid still, and held the mark.
    For him, it was no trifle
    for to soon show her what he could do
    with his old Spencer rifle.

    Katie was a fair and a charming maid.
    She wasn't barely twenty.
    By the time he'd fired seven rounds,
    well, he'd had pork aplenty.

    Her mother finally found them out.
    Good order she commanded.
    John cocked up with a double load,
    and he shot at her off-handed


Here's the Traditional Ballad Index entry on this song:

Old Spencer Rifle,The

DESCRIPTION: The singer tells of Johnny's visit, and his "shooting" her with his gun, no less than seven times. John does the mother too and goes off with his gun-barrel bent.
AUTHOR: unknown
EARLIEST DATE: 1942 (collected by Vance Randolph from Booth Campbell)
KEYWORDS: bawdy sex
FOUND IN: US(So)
REFERENCES (1 citation):
Randolph-Legman I, pp. 128-129, "The Old Spencer Rifle" (1 text, 1 tune)
Roud #11499
NOTES [190 words]: Annotator Legman in Randolph-Legman I asserts that the melody of this apparently unique ballad is "unmistakably" similar to "Yankee Doodle." In fact, it directly quotes "Cotton-Eyed Joe." - EC
The mention of seven shots and the "old Spencer Rifle" would seem to be a reference to the Spencer repeating carbine of the Civil War era. According to Mark M. Boatner III, The Civil War Dictionary, 1959 (there are many editions of this very popular work; mine is a Knopf hardcover), p. 782, "SPENCER REPEATING CARBINE. The first successful breech-loading repeating rifled carbine was patented in 1860 by Christopher M. Spencer of Conn. By 1864 it had become the standard arm of the Federal cavalry and by the fall of that year brigades of infantry began to appear with it.... The carbin was loaded by a tubular magazine that passed through the butt of the stock and held seven copper rimfire 52 caliber cartridges." Although it lacked range and penetrating power, it became famous because it could be "loaded on Sunday and fired all week." Thus the reference would seem to imply that the song originated during or shortly after the Civil War. - RBW
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File: RL128

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