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matt milton BS: climate crisis - how do we go from here? (319* d) RE: climate crisis - how do we go from here? 23 Oct 19


Just finished reading Naomi Klein's 'On Fire: the Burning Case for a Green New Deal'. That sets out detailed, eloquent ways to address climate change (asdp pretty much any of George Monbiot's books).

The Green New Deal is eminently googleable and I suggest anyone interested does so. In the UK,Labour and the Green Party have been drafting a comparable proposal.

It's gratifying that the UK has set itself a zero emissions target of 2050, and that Labour would wish to do so by 2030. However, Labour aren't in power and the current government is not acting in ways that will get us to net zero by 2050.

There are 20th century historical precedents for the systemic change governments have adapted in short amounts of time: World War II; the Marshall Plan; Roosevelt's New Deal. All of which prove that, when governments really want to, they can transform their nation's economies, manufacturing, energy generation, infrastructure etc in an incredibly short space of time. We could get to net zero sooner than 2050 if the real political will was there but it requires wholesale reshaping of industry.

The fact that nice middle-class people like me are increasingly terrified by the urgency of this situation, and are baffled by the inaction of governments, make it increasingly likely that peaceful protests will eventually turn into violent protests. There's only so many times you can lie to your 6-year-old son when he asks you if there's still time to fix climate change.

We're on a path to a situation where hundreds of thousands will die and life as we know it will irrevocably change. We know what to do. We have known what to do for over 30 years.


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