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GUEST,Joseph Scott Frankie and Johnny - historical basis (44) RE: Frankie and Johnny - historical basis 23 Jan 21


The p. 83 and p. 84 Scarborough versions are both effectively 12-bar bad man ballad*, if you account for the fact that folk singers (1) weren't about it's "really" 2/4 vs. it's "really" 4/4 and (2) often sang crooked, e.g. jumping the gun before getting to 12 bars, e.g. "Take A Whiff On Me" and related songs routinely got shortened down to about 11 or 10 (probably not a coincidence that those singers were often on coke, huh). Hurt was typical with his crookedness for bad-man-ballad-era material, shortening or lengthening a bit crooked on some songs, which would typically be however he learned them.

We don't know which of those two Scarborough versions is earlier.

*As H. suggests "blues ballad" is a misnomer; people began thinking of first-person blues songs as a genre in roughly 1906-1909, and that new fad was typically not about old third-person bad man ballads.


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