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Gibb Sahib Discovering world legacy of shanties by 'Shogun' (266* d) RE: Discovering world legacy of shanties by 'Shogun' 07 Mar 21


I don't have the inclination to go on a hunt to solve the mystery of Patterson, and I hope people will forgive that, as a disclaimer. My bias is that I think Patterson is not a helpful source for documenting the history of chanties. While I was certainly familiar with the Patterson source, I believe I excluded it from my _Boxing the Compass_ because I thought it was too tangential to the story of writing about chanties.

Having made that disclaimer, I *have* noticed that Patterson's random (IMO) verse about "where the cocktail flows" turns up in writing elsewhere. Colcord is one place, but I know there is another. Because, again in my opinion, this is a random (extemporized) sounding verse, which I would doubt had currency with many singers, I suspect there were some shenanigans going on, of writers copying from other publications. "Who copied whom?" is not the question I'm inclined to research (there are bigger fish to fry). But I mention it in reaction to what Lighter said about verses not being good. And to say: I'm less inclined to speculate that Patterson made up verses and more inclined to believe he copied them from print sources. I find it very hard to believe, in light of all other data about chanties, that Patterson's "hauling chanty" was something that was sung, but all I can speculate as an alternative is that he read somewhere that "Sacramento" could also be a hauling chanty and he tried to imagine how that might be. (Why it wouldn't just be the usual song minus the grand chorus is puzzling.) At least Hugill knew not to put Patterson's "hauling" version in his book!


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