Donuel: "It depends on your view of time." Well, "views" of time are largely rhetorical. It is a common thing to act as though creating linguistic concepts in various degrees of complexity somehow imparts a separate reality to them. Whatever the relationship actually is between the laws of the universe and our ability to comprehend them, we are still just one unusually complex bit of the puzzle. Cosmologists, theologians, mathematicians, philosophers and a wide array of amateur speculators have proposed 'possible' versions of reality...including multiple dimensions, infinite recurring universes, and metaphysical 'beings'...etc. It gains some of them publication of articles and even teaching positions. Various others become objects of ridicule. This guy posted for years on USENET and mixed science with religion in jaw-dropping ways. He never faltered, he just enlarged. He has largely dropped out of sight, but he became so infamous that some of his rantings have been preserved. When you are bored, browse that article for awhile... There are/were many other posters in alt.sci.physics.new-theories..... which can still be accessed on groups.google.com. I doubt that many will bother, so here's on of Hammond's last "HAWKING & THE ANTHROPIC PRINCIPLE Stepen Hawking mentions the Anthropic Principle 14 times in his book _ A Brief History of Time_. Since the book has sold 10 million copies in 45 languages we must conclude the Anthropic Principle is well known to Science. Hawking defines the Anthropic Principle on p 128-129: "We see the universe the way it is because we exist" and says: "Few people would quarrel with the validity or utility of the weak Anthropic Principle." .....' Unbeknownst to Stephen Hawking Religion long ago discovered the Anthropic Principle and identified it as the explanation of God (Berkeley 1710). "God" according to religion is in fact MIND. Hence when the mind of man came into existence, "reality" (sometimes called the world or the universe) also came into existence. Since we know that Homo sapiens are about 100,000 year old, the Anthropic Principle tells us that "reality" must be about 100,000 years old. Religion calculated this long ago and arrived at the famous figure of "6,000" years (Usher 1650) for the age of the universe. This was before modern science discovered Man is 100,000 years old not 6,000 which explains why they are a few years off. They are NOT 14 billion years off however! Religion simply points out that past history (including the Big Bang) is part of "human reality" hence the Anthropic Principle clearly explains why the Big Bang actually happened AFTER Biblical Creation even though Creation is only 100,000 years old! Fact is, the Anthropic Principle "explains" both God AND Creation. If Stepehn Hawking is so smart, why hasn't he realized that the Anthropic Principle explains the "Biblical" Creation as well as the "Big Bang" creation...? and why doesn't he realize that the Anthropic Principle is nothing other than the "Anthropomorphic God" of the Bible? Are scientists slow or what?" OK back to the usual...
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