You just won't give it up, will you, Gargoyle. How did you get so obsessed with me? It kind of reminds me of an old Peanuts cartoon: Linus is talking to Charlie Brown about a girl in his class (I don't remember the exact words, Googles, so you can look them up and post them and challenge my intellectual honesty or whatever)--"I walked up to her but I couldn't think of a thing to say...so I hit her." Does it go beyond grokking me, Giggles? --seed