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Jim the Bart The best I've seen about this tragedy (28) RE: The best I've seen about this tragedy 13 Sep 01

Dicho – The voracious "Muslim culture" tried it's best to overrun Europe and came close to succeeding before it's "encroachment" was ended at the Gates of Vienna by a European army under the leadership of Jan Sobieski in 1683; this cultural conflict is deeply rooted and long standing. There are no innocent victims.

So let us all admit to the share of the guilt that is rightly ascribed to our culture and move forward from there. Realities must be faced and peaceful accommodation must be found. Isreal is not going away. The interests of the West and the Middle East will always be entwined. It's hard to consider America to be guilty of causing the impoverished state of the majority of the people in the Arab countries as long as guys like bin Laden himself are worth "billions" (according to the reports I have read and heard).

And here are a few more realities:

There is no Satan; the only real hell is the one that we create. And whether or not bin Laden is directly responsible for 9-11-1, his words and deeds helped bring that bit of hell to this earth.

There is no "Holy War". The Fatwa, which has been used by terrorists to justify suicidal acts like those of the hijackers on Tuesday is just murder in the name of the Lord. Remember that Osama bin Laden had a large hand in bringing about the declaration of Fatwa.

The war that is about to come to the terrorists is no more holy than the one they have been waging against us. But, even so, it is necessary. No one in any country can feel safe and secure as long as those who advocate terror feel they can act with impunity. Actions have consequences; for the guilty and innocent on all sides.

It's just a coincidence, of course, but the decisive battle that ended the Siege of Vienna and broke the power of the Turk over the West began on September 12th.

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