I tend to agree with Rick and Jon and before I get anyones's back up, I've been hanging out here for a long time too. I've contributed when I can, positively. I've tried to help people who ask for help wherever I can. I was drawn to this site for the music and I have on occasion joined in non music related chats. I've probably started a couple. I've never started a thread to deliberately provoke anyone or waste anyones time. I have argued and replied sometimes in anger when I felt I was being insulted or patronized. I tend to stay out of threads that don't interest me but I'm a firm believer in freedom of speech (I grew up in N.Ireland) and I think that its great that people can feel that they are encouraged to speak their mind. But it saddens me to see that good music discussions can disappear pretty fast when they are pushed further down the list by some threads that (only my opinion) are pretty inane or just provocative for no good reason. I believe that the two tier system could work. People would still be free to contribute to either. There's no perfect world but this might be a way to address this particular debate. Again just my oppinion. Den