Thanks Amos & LH. I think I can I think I can. . . . Well, to be brutally honest with myself and others in this anonymous format: I don't think I can. I think I can get myself to a faith that the unmanifested retains the same essence as it was In the Beginning, rather than changing in some fashion after forming rocks and stuff, but I don't think I can get any further in believing I can sense the essence of the unmanifest. I would too likely view it as mental masturabtion, just in trying, and if I succeed to any extent, I will likely attribute it to a biochemical hullucination. I know that sounds crude, and I wish it didn't sound insulting, but I don't know of a clearer way to state it properly. I will try. I will try. Even if a short internet blurb like this must be crude in design, my sincerity is behind the words.

(LH your last sentence well summarizes Life of Brian.)

(Sharon I'm not insulted it all. I've enjoyed a lot of your points all over the place here.)

Dan