Just a slight drift from midstream but this reminds me of the story about
the German industrialist who had "renounced" the material life
and had come out East and was living in the jungles of Sri Lanka as a "swami".
In his white robes and beard he came to one of Krishnamurti's meetings.
At the end of the talk he offered a comment: "I do not think that it
is possible to reach the point of 'choiceless awareness' you speak of as long
as one remains in the material world. It is essential to renounce the material world.
It is essential to renounce everything in life if we wish to attain enlightenment."
Krishnamurti: "What have you renounced, sir?"
Swami: "I was an industrial magnate in Germany. I had great wealth and power.
I renounced my wealth and the power it gave me. I had many women.
I used to drink. I had many vices. I renounced my vices."
Krishnamurti: "Ah - but sir, have you renounced your virtues?"
Fast hard and sleep well.