Admittedly, when the wind is blowing off the Patrick Cudahy plant, it's not the most pleasant, and the valley can be somewhat oppressive if the brewery yeast is just a little off. Downtown Milwaukee isnt the same since Ambrosia Chocolate moved. But I live on the west side where the most noticable smell is from my own lilac bushes, there is nary a yuppie in sight, and who cares what baseball players think anyway?

Campfire--my father grew up in Marinette, about 5 hours north of here. Is that anywhere near your father?