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GUEST,Taliesn BS: More Lib-twittery (17) BS: More Lib-twittery 21 Nov 02

Happening upon our own self-described Godless-libertarian's post I just felt that his inextricbly alloyed wing of "libertarian/ athesit" reasoning required some commnetary all its own .

" Thomas Paine was a well known Atheist who was one of the founding fathers, and most of the others were diests."

It is understood that the "founding fathers" did arise in what is classified as the "Age of Enlightenment" which spawned the so-called "philosophe's" which advocated the supremacy of Science ( such as it was at the time ) and "scientific reasoning"
as the replacement for religious beliefs.
The "dieist" wing , though removing themselves from any "formal" religions , still operated from the axiom that there was a higher power & "intelligence" that set Naturtal Law into motion and that it was man's duty to discover , through scientific reasoning , those laws in order to put them to work for the betterment of mankind.
Thus a diest is still anathema to an aetheist and it is just one part of this class of "twittery" to try and promote the supposition that only "true" libertarian is an aetheist-lib. This kind of "fanatacism" is what strikes one as the pure expression of "twittery".
I've also checked out the web links provided by our own little Libby and found the list of donating support groups and , among the named groups, found such *amusing* groups as the Satanists ( the group begun in California _where else?;-)_ around the "ego" of the finally departed Anton LeVey ).
I guess the branch og Libertarians that also require
aetheism to feel ideologically "complete" , or dare I say "wholistic" are not above taking donations from whatever source they can get so long as that source is atleast "anti-God";
an expression of the old realpolitique dictum of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend." perhaps. I mean forget the contradiction that Satanist worship Satan as their "supreme being" ( of which ,according to the devout lib-aetheists there "is" no such thing and is an encumbrane ) so I guess intelligent folks would realize that you can't be a good libertarian and a devout Satanist in the same time/space dimensia.
I doesn't stop there. Then , to my gales of LOL laughter I actually found that there is in fact a Society of Saganists ( as in Carl Sagan ) I've often satirized the founder of Scientology ,L.Ron Hubbard , with the playful fiction that there would arise a rivalry between other religions begun around other more famous Sci-fi writers like the Carl Saganists , the Frank Herbertologists., and the Heilienites.
Well, yes,Virginia, there is such a thing as a Carl Saganist now.
How very pop-culturist .L.Ron Hubbard must be spinning in his time capsule.;-)
Finally I find the Raelians listed as conributors to this self-avowed aetheist wing of the libertarian party. If you really wonder why the "X Files" became so cult-popularist you simply must do a websearch of these "supreme race of beings servants". Their core "belief" lies in that they are under the instructiuons of a higher race of supreme aliens to advance the science of human cloning in order to perfect a hybrid human "worthy" or atleast capable of hosting these supreme beings the better to walk among us . Oh yeah, and with the side agenda of cloning yourself so one can become "immortal" by way of multiple clones. Guess whom would profit rom the commerical applications of this Sci-fi snake oil.
Oh, the best part is the entral cult leader from whom the name Raelians comes from. A former French journalist/race car driver
who changed his name to Rael and dresses like he right out of central castiing from "Star Trek_the Next Generation". I know this for a fact because this fruit-o-the-loom appeared in person for a Congressional hearing on the Ethics of Genetic Engineering and he was dressing in layers of finely creased white robes reading from a prepared "in English" speech in a very appropriate thick french-accent to complete the Jules Verne-ness of the moment. A far more articulate French-origin woman scientist accompanied him on the panel , ofcourse , to *promote* the advancment of human cloning under the protection of the Constitutional "Freedom of Religion".
Now considering that the whole point of this new , some would say "fanatic", aetheist-wing of the libertarian political party ( not quite a "cult",,,,yet ;-) was to be totally free from all intrusion of any religious order this list of donors seems to suggest how desperate they are , and are more than willing to make with strange-bedfellows , in order to advance their politicla agenda.
But, hey, that just makes them just as corruptable as any political party. Business as usual I s'pose.

Oh, one last tidbit of twittery must be offered by the author_libertarian:
"....You see, in popular music, U2, Petra, Jars of Clay, and especially Creed are popular Rock bands, but those of us in the know don't have to listen to them, and most of us don't due to our non-belief. "

Ahhh, the full flower of youthful naivete is practiclly "quaint",
but twittery nonetheless. ;-)

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