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GUEST,Taliesn BS: What Has Satan Ever Done for Us? (50) RE: BS: What Has Satan Ever Done for Us? 25 Nov 02

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"Taleisn, you seem to have forgotten one fairly central idea to western thought: free will is a good thing...... "

Ofcourse it is. ;-)

"....Lucifer is, in fact, the first entity ever to take a stand in favor of self determination....."

This highly presumptive intellectual experiement misses one gaping inconsistency ,but do go on. ;-)

"..... If it weren't for him, we would not have the knowledge of good and evil which is a central part of what makes us human..."

Well , if "being human" , a.k.a. "biological life" , is *all* there is to life then this statement of yours sounds pretty damning enough.
I take it to heart , thanks to Eastern?western spiritual teachings ,that there is more to the gift of life and self-determined awareness than just life *imprisoned* in a psychologically hindered , pathologically prone, and limited life-spanned "human" existence. If you have *no* concept of a purely spiritual , read: *supra*-human "handicapped", soul then you'll never appreciate the sense of being cheated one has when they realize that all this "humaness" needn't have happened.
More to the point , all this "humaness" is *not* our true and wholey *free* Natural state of being.
This is more than hinted in the so-called cunundrum of Judeo-Christian tradition of teachings that we are all made "in God's image" yet the One God has no physical body . So this becomes an irresolvable contradiction until one realizes our original "natural" state of being which is sentient and self-aware matrices of light which would be in God's image. Without the barrier of a humna conciousness "complete" inter-connectiveness with all life "is" the *most* free and natural state of being. It is our inheritance and our destiny. If you inwardly "know" this ,even intuitively ,then you come to comprehend why "all" behavioral indulgences in "human appetites" are but baggage and balast. and practice or ideology that convinces us otherwise cheats us.
Something to do with Christ's words while he was being crucified of " Forgive them for they know not what they do".


"... I daily thank Lucifer for the ability to think for myself....."

Well I rather doubt you actually do this and is said more for hyperbole's sake, but you know not of what you speak as to whom to thank for your true sense of elf-awareness and determination. It sounds like you're going to next dredge up that tired old debating point hopelessly lost in non-spiritual thinking " Well ,without darkness ,how can we find the light" ;-)
To which the answer is " You asume you need the contrast of darkness when there are many colors radiant in the spectrum more than equipped to do the job". ;-)

".... Individual humans, not Lucifer, are responsible for the abuses of free will... "

You're right in that we "are" all repsonsible for the "choices" we make in our thoughts and deeds , but the Devil's Advocate is a more than willing participant.
I am reminded of that great line from "The Usual Suspects":
" the greatest trick the devil ever played was in convincing you he didn't exist"

".....Our fears are the price we pay for the right to determine our own lives, rather than obey the senseless dictates of a God who created us to glorify himself. "

Where exactly did you get this Neitzchian or Allistar Crowley-esque diatribe from? What an abyssmally misinformed ideology that reeks of the human arrogance that is the soul's sorrow to have to endure.

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