Aahh!; This is just like the good old days... sort of.

Before re-opening this thread I strapped on the Kevlar and Nomex boxers, just to be on the safe side - expecing the usual response after having pitched my "Conservative" pet skunk into the "Liberal" locker-room just for fun.

Actually, it hasn't been all that bad... so far.

So let's see, here;

Ebbie; are we having fun yet? Lord knows we used to, eh? I hope the term "Lord" does not overly offend you, Deah. };^{)~

Guest Fred; a thoughtfull response, and appreciated.
There is one "Conservative Thinker" whom I think you may have overlooked; Rush Limbaugh. OK; you can can the jeering, hissing and booing now, everybody - I'm well aware of the popular PC opinion of the man and need not be reminded. Yet in spite of his bellicose shtick and tounge-in-cheek arrogance, Rush is probably one of the most influencial and respected Conservative idealologists in America today.
I don't agree 100% with all of his opinions or ideas, but then he does not expect us to. He regularly encourages his listeners to observe, anylize, and think critically before arriving at any political conclusion. He espouses Conservatism not because it is popular, but because it makes sense to him. If you think that he is a shill for the Republican Party or President Bush, then you have not heard him question and critisize same for many of their actions of late, including the "Campaign Finance Reform" Act the President signed, despite serious questions as to it's compromise of the First Ammendment.
I might reccomend going to his Website:

RUSH LIMBAUGH:

...and give him a fair hearing before passing judgement.

My dissertation of distinctives represents my own understanding; I did not cut and paste it from anyone else, as C's are encouraged to do our own thinking as much as possible. They are ideals, not actuals;
how well I know that even under the most "C" Administrations, abuses and inequities abound, and still do. They are by no means universally accepted within the Republican Party; despite allegations that both Parties slavishly follow the Party line, we have it from a former Republican State House Majority Leader (does not happen very often here in Maine)that leading Republicans is like trying to direct "a herd of cats".

I would never accuse either of Maine's "Republican" Senators, for instance, of being the least bit socially "Conservative", although on a relative basis, they might be somewhat economicly conservative.


As to:

"...I jsut always wondered how this couild be justified
and why it is often so that people who are
"pro life" also are "pro death"(penalty)
-it does not make sense to me."

Don't wear a bald spot scratching your head, there, openmike.

It has to do with the concept of "Innocence". Can you think of any human being who could qualify for the status of absoloutly innocent?
How about those who have never seen MTV... never known or seen abuse; never heard a curse... because they have not even been born into this sortid World yet?

And yet you still advocate for the destruction of the innocent while extending clemency to the guilty? Now I'd really like to know how THAT "makes sense", Mate!

Now we can get off on this "Choice" thing all Month long, and no doubt there is a thread somewhere still raging on it. I have been admonished by Senior Officials in the Republican Party that as an Activist, I am not to even mention this issue, much less get into discussions about it.

Phooey!

Abortion is ripping the American culture and it's institutions right down the middle every bit as much as SLAVERY did in the early to mid - 1800s. I pray that it's resolution will not cost the lives of over 660,000 Americans as Slavery did, but we cannot be too certain.

Abortion is tearing apart, or seriously straining, the integrity of many of our most foundational institutions; our Government; Churches / Synagogs/Temples, and all too often, Families.

All right then; I haven't got all night to chase this around again; so let me put it to you this way:

I'm going to propose two hypothetical statements, both of which I think are fairly representative of the supporters of slavery during the 1850's and Abortion (err.. "Choice") today. You should be able to determine which is which.

1.: "You gots to treat dem Niggers like livestock; dey ain't really "Human", y' know.

2.: "Don't worry, Mary; it only a lump of "tissue"; it isn't a real "Baby" yet, you know."

Anybody see a corellation, here?

Yes; you in the back with the mandolion and the funny hat...

Very good!; The common denominator here is "Humanity".
Which is denied by others with power to the Slave as well as to the Unborn.

Can we really justify doing that?
Now I see that some of you here are not at all sure as to whether a fetus has a "Soul" or not... but my God, folks; do WE?

I've got to take a break, but will see if I have time later to address more of the issues raised here. In the meantime, keep thinking... keep searching.

UJ in ME