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GUEST,colwyn dane BS: Roe v. Wade: Last Anniversary? (140* d) RE: BS: Roe v. Wade: Last Anniversary? 02 Feb 03

I will try to clarify a few points from my last post,I'll modify an old saying to the following, "Write in haste and get it wrong; repent in leisure".
The below ideas are not original they have been around for over 2000 years.

I will answer my critics first of all - I don't mind the message being attacked but why emote negatively at another person?

Bobert and Pontius Pilate: It seem to me that it does not make any sense to be anti or pro something if you give support to the opposing argument. Some illustrations:
In the land of Nede they do not believe that all are allowed to be created. There is a law which allows Nedens,if they wish, to exterminate an organism they call a Roop. You,as a Neden, do not think that this is right and believe that a Roop is just as good as a Neden (after all you were once a Roop too) and should be allowed access to Nede;to the opportunities there to perfect themselves - the ones that you have been able to avail yourself of. Should you help the exterminating Nedens or the unprotected Roops?
An extreme example: you are a 1943 German who believes that the anti-jewish policy of your Government is wrong - would you help that Government to implement that policy?

Christianity: Lets say that Christ was the most perfect human being in the last 2000 years who taught certain precepts about love and morality. I think that the most important thing about Christ's teaching is about action: do this,do not do that. You gotta take Christianity as a teaching of action and not as a mental teaching.
Bobert is a man of action; he does help those who need help. I find it easier to follow the 'do not do that' part (except when the emotional horse gets the bit between its teeth and refuses to turn the other cheek) and struggle with the 'do that' side. Bobert would be called a Christian by many even if he does not belong to a Christian religion - see the support he can attract;I would be, and rightly so, called a pompous ass and told to take a hike.

SSS - Truth is truth their is no qualification needed - I am looking at my room door I see a door; that is an objective truth - what I feel and think about my door - its colour,shape,size etc; - is subjective truth.We can only know the truth about simple things.Think of the three blind mice examining the elephant - we don't have the extras to see the bigger picture.
You write about will but in my opinion we do not possess will we only have desires and whatever desire is strongest at a moment will usually determine your action.One side of you wants to do something and another side is afraid that you will be punished if you do it. A struggle ensues between the different tendencies and the result of this struggle is called'will'.
Desire is when you do what you want; will is when you can do what you do not want. To cultivate will start with small things and try to do them as well as you can e.g. clean & polish your shoes with controlled attention to detail make sure the soles and heels are spotless; give yourself tasks that you normally do not do; do your wife's house chores for a week with full and controlled attention on yourself and at the same time notice your thoughts and feel your different emotions as you do a task. Get to know thyself.

More about conscience:
When I gave the quote from Newman's 'Grammar of Assent' about conscience I did write that it wasn't mine. It's not the Jiminy Cricket type that I am interested in - that is useful but is limited as it is subjective and is also dependent on your cultural background.
To have a moral sense you must have an aim or direction e.g. if I am driving to work and I turn left when I know I should take a right then I am acting in a wrong way.
If you feel that an action is evil you will not do it or if you do actualise that potential you will get no pleasure from it.
A subjective man can have no general concept of good and evil.
For a subjective man evil is everything that is opposed to his desire or interests or to his conception of good.
Nobody ever does anything deliberately in the interests of evil, for the sake of evil. Everybody acts in the interest of good, as he understands it. But everybody understands it in a different way and considers his good as the only good.
Conscience in relation to emotions is the same as consciousness in relation to ideas. Consciousness can be defined as: all your knowlege connected together which relates to a particular subject - you will be aware of what you know and what you do not know about the subject.In the case of my room door I am aware that I do not know what wood it is made from;where it was made;who made it;how old it is;who designed it;how long it will last;how many doors like it were made etc; a door,or any item, has threads that lead to all the information in the world.
Conscience is to feel all that you ever felt in relation to the same person,country,house book,door or anything else together, this would be a moment of conscience and you will see how many contradictions there are in your emotions. It is an emotional moment of truth.

I just as flawed as the next person; my 'problem' is that I am aware of it; I'm on the back of the tiger and can't get off.
Blessed are they who have a 'soul'.
Peace to those who do not know that they do not have a 'soul'.
Damnation to those who know that they do not have a 'soul' and do nothing about it.
Misery to those who know they do not have a 'soul' and who are struggling to 'create' one.

Folks this isn't multi-dimensional physics most of it is common sense.

Attack the abortion message but don't ask me anything relating to the non-abortion ideas as I have spent too much time trying to formulate them and an answer will only lead to other 'doors' being opened. Take it or leave it.

A long life to you.

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