Thank you Jack the Sailor. The words 'unconsious collusion' are ones psychologists would use they arent my own. But I see what you say. The thesis is not my own either but ideas I have read that seem to work very well to describe the way it works many times in my own groups I work with, Russian immigrants. Many of them have many fears about each other, and this is not a good time for immigrants in the US too so for now it is getting worse. Like I said maybe this is true for the Mudcat group mind too right now because everyone is so afraid of war and terrorists and often those feelings are about us immigrants instead of the real people who can really hurt you.