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GUEST,Dreaded Guest BS: US torture (197* d) RE: BS: US torture 05 Mar 03


I was going to start a thread about torture and noticed this one...so I'll just add my two cents worth here. America is being conditioned to accept torture:

The link below goes to an image of one of the people who is acclimating you to torture:

Brought to you by...

And if you don't believe it is her job, go to the link below and type in 'Sawyer'. Look at the top of the page, too...at the FUNCTIONS of the groups mentioned:

Her real job

And the piece below is the type of thing her company is selling you nowadays:

"According to Pakistani and U.S. officials, Mohammed became more inclined to cooperate after three days of unspecified rough treatment by Pakistani interrogators....

One possible wedge to pry information out of Mohammed could be his 7- and 9-year-old sons. Pakistani authorities detained the boys in a raid last September, and it's been suggested that the CHILDREN could be used as a form of leverage, although their current whereabouts are unconfirmed...."

'Torture Questions' article

Meanwhile, on co-conspirator CNN (an admitted army psychological-operations station), the 'liberal' Dershowitz is calmly discussing needles under fingernails:

DERSHOWITZ: ...My basic point, though, is we should never under any circumstances allow low-level people to administer torture. If torture is going to be administered...it ought to be done openly, with accountability, with approval by the president of the United States or by a Supreme Court justice.... I would talk about nonlethal torture, say, a sterilized needle underneath the nail, which would violate the Geneva Accords, but you know, countries all over the world violate the Geneva Accords. They do it secretly and hypothetically, the way the French did it in Algeria. If we ever came close to doing it, and we don't know whether this is such a case, I think we would want to do it with accountability and openly and not adopt the way of the hypocrite."

Dershowitz Interview

Sure, they're talking about a 'foreign' terrorist, but don't forget the new definition of 'domestic terrorist', from the recently-passed USA PATRIOT Act:

SEC. 802. DEFINITION OF DOMESTIC TERRORISM.
(a) DOMESTIC TERRORISM DEFINED- Section 2331 of title 18, United States Code, is amended--
`(5) the term `domestic terrorism' means activities that--
`(A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State;
`(B) appear to be intended--
`(i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population;
`(ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or
`(iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and
`(C) occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States.'.

And the following is from an analysis of the upcoming Patriot Act 2, which will be passed after the U.S. govt sponsors another 'terrorist event' in order to galvanize people behind a rush of abusive legislation:

SECTION 501 (Expatriation of Terrorists) expands the Bush administration's "enemy combatant" definition to all American citizens who "may" have violated ANY provision of Section 802 of the first Patriot Act....

Under Section 501 a US citizen engaging in lawful activities can be grabbed off the street and thrown into a van never to be seen again. The Justice Department states that they can do this because the person "had inferred from conduct" that they were not a US citizen. Remember Section 802 of the First USA Patriot Act states that any violation of Federal or State law can result in the "enemy combatant" terrorist designation.

Patriot Act 2 analysis

And in case you've forgotten, the US govt asked for bids for 3 million new concentration camp beds last summer:

Camps to be completed in January 2003

Which brings us back to where this 'debate on the appropriate use of torture' all began. This is what the people in charge of the US govt want to do to you:

Camp X-Ray detainees = You




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