Nader didn't spoil a thing. Neither did Pat Buchanan. The folks that stayed home should take some responsiblity, but we can't live in a world of "what if's". Losers play that game.

The problem is that the Green Party or any party other than the big two have serious issues with getting their message across. It is more than just the media not taking them seriously, it is the fact that they don't know how to play the game.   Ralph Nader, as noble as his causes were, will never be taken seriously as presidental candidate. (Did he ever show his tax returns? What is the real story there? Methinks he is hiding something!) His votes in the last rejection were more of a protest than a vote for a serious candidate.

I seriously wonder if "2/3" (seems to be the magic number here) of the people that voted for Nader could name 5 positions that Ralph held. I'm sure some of you Mudcatters could do it in a heartbeat - but I'm talking about the people that pulled the lever in the voting booth.

I'm all for the Green Party. We need more than just the big two.   However, for an alternative party to be taken seriously, they need to know how to reach people and play the same games. This isn't fantasyland - people need to find a comfort level before the masses create change.

America still has democracy, but we also have a bigger problem with apathy.   "Let the other guy do it" seems to be our motto, but we sure can whine when we don't like something.