I have just spent about an hour reading the "3 crop circles in Orilla" thread which one gets to by following Wolfgang's link. I have seldom read a better set of discussions and explanations of BOTH sides of this issue.

There are posts by Wolfgang, Naemanson, Escamillo, Grab, myself and several others, which do a good job of drawing out necessary distinctions....and in reading it, I remembered that Wolfgang does some serious work in these areas, and I really appreciate how clearly he explains the issues.