I never said I was going to....... I have now cleared a hell of alot in a week. The five foot high grass is now a lawn and that has been raked over so it is now isolated clumps of grass. The council might be coming in to rotivate it but I ain't sure if that is a good idea. we will see. Any U.K members know any good seed merchants I can start to look up for next year? Glad thread has proved to be a gooden! Pete.