Rick, now I'm not sure what you mean about straight up (no twist?):o) You must mean verticle! I haven't tried that position yet. Gee, if I could do the Hokey Pokey on roller skates as a child, you'd think I could play the mandolin.............

Rex, you reminded me of a hot shot nutty violin player at the conservatory who would clown around by playing "Orange Blossom Special while holding the fiddle behind his head. He was so funny. Is that hard?

Margarita