And Gargoyle, I've spoken with members of police forces in Idaho, Illinois, Kentucky, Ohio, Maryland, and a US Marshal, all of whom are frightened by the implications of the Patriot Act. Some actually detest it as a insult to their professional abilities and an undermining of the Constitution (they take their oaths seriously). None of these men and women, by the way, can by any stretch be considered a "liberal"; two of them have been decorated from bravery in the line of duty. Two also made the point that the FBI, no matter what their mandate, doesn't share anything, "even a cup of coffee," with local or state law enforcement agencies. Nor am I particularily liberal; I turned a child porn consumer over to the local cops when we found him looking as pictures of naked kids at "my" public library (as was right, and not only because it's a crime).