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Thread #62617   Message #1021196
Posted By: NicoleC
18-Sep-03 - 01:37 AM
Thread Name: BS: Farewell to an anti-abortionist
Subject: RE: BS: Farewell to an anti-abortionist
Exactly my point, John.   You don't think anything is relative to the issue except for your personal moral judgement. You even stated that men are only responsible if they agree to an abortion, but apparently don't think they have any responsibility over the pregnancy in the first place!

It's like condemning someone for not being able to read, but not being willing to question whether they were taught to do so. A woman is evil/immoral/wanton/slutty for getting pregnant (but not the man who impreganated her). A woman is evil for getting an abortion, but the man is not responsible for her having to make the choice. A woman is horrible if she doesn't take good care of her child, but if she can't afford medical care that's her fault. A woman is a lazy slut if she doesn't work at least a demeaning minimum wage job while she has an infant, but we won't take any steps to address affordable childcare. A woman is a bad mother if she leaves her child at home alone, but, wait, there's still no childcare.

Issues that lead to the need or desire for such a decision are entirely relevant to the issue.

Fionn, I don't think we can separate abortion from numerous other social issues, particulary gender issues, any more than we can separate crime from other social issues. I'm not talking about men being responsible for everything wrong in the world. The entire anti-abortion movement is based on fundamentalist Christian beliefs which hold that a woman is the property of her husband/father/male guardian and he gets to make all her choices for her. It's about possession and control of women and children.

If one truly believes it is a moral decision, then they should also know that no one can truly judge another.