PDQ, that's why I said Botany can be confusing, but probably I should have said Taxonomy or more aptly Taxonomists are confusing. These guys will be arguing over whether something is more appropriately, a species, a subspecies, or a variety for the next hundred years or more. Info I have on BC (sp./spp./var.) is from Pojar and Mackinnon(1994) although when I was in the thick of it, one didn't dare put a species name to anything unless one used Hitchcock and Cronquist as a reference.

The very fact that I'm continuing to flog a dead horse as well, is probably because I spent far too many years up to my armpits in taxonomic nitpicking and its a very hard habit to break.*BG*

When all's said and done, there are red ones, blue ones and black ones. The red ones on Vancouver Island taste like shit, the blue ones here aren't as bad and I've not come across any black ones to form an opinion.

Oregon-grape (tall or dull) and salal berries taste like shit too, but like all colours of elderberries they make very fine jellies and wines.