Sorry, the review I read of Franken's book saying it was designed to be read by people who agree with him was enough for me. As was a friend saying that it wasn't as good as his previous work. He said to save my money. Couldn't speak to it at all.

On the other hand, it is clear that Moore's editing of Heston's speech in Denver was designed to be misleading, to give people who view the film a false impression of what Heston said and when. That's a lie, plain and simple. I'm not claiming he's lying in general to discredit his cause. I'm saying he's lying in this particular because he twisted the facts and that damages his cause. I saw it for myself at your suggestion. Film and transcript in hand, it's undenyable. What sort of proof were you expecting? Would you like a copy of the speech?

If I find Moore as untrustworthy as Rush Limbaugh as a result, well that's my business. He's the same kind of clown as Jerry Springer. Disagree if you will, but dismissing me with the same tactic you describe being used agaisnt Franken, well, that's ironic.