Agree with Leadfingers. I'm sorry now I started this, I thought initially it might have been PEL-related. Never met David K, hope to rectify this when he comes to St Albans (I owe him big-time for a brilliant review of my stuff on Netrhythms). Never been to the Grove, hope to rectify this sometime soon - probably in January, when I come up that way for Nutty's Song And Ale.
In any case, wishing both David and the Grove the best - together or independently. The good names of both will surely shine through.