And I didn't mean to be defining God for anyone either. I only meant that most moral codes are handed down from someone's god or other. If we're talking about moral codes that don't need any higher authority for universal applicability, what would those be? And why would they exist?

Most atheists I know hold to a higher (to my way of thinking) set of moral and ethical standards than most Christians I know. One problem I have with most Christians is that they mistakenly believe God wants them "fix" everyone else, by force if need be. I see that as a most un-Christian point of view. You don't see Buddhists running around doing that, or atheists either for that matter.

      - Mark