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Thread #63406   Message #1033893
Posted By: Deda
11-Oct-03 - 07:50 PM
Thread Name: Help: Latin phrase?
Subject: RE: Help: Latin phrase?
Sine is a preposition that takes the ablative, so it should be "Sine virtute, sine laude" -- literally "without [bravery, manliness, strength] (is) without praise." I agree with Amos that "gloria" would work -- it means fame, reknown, glory. It's first declension so the ablative is "gloria", with the final a being long. I might be tempted to use "audacia" (daring) rather than "virtus". Either "sine audacia, sine gloria" or "nihil audacia, nihil gloria" -- no daring, no glory.

Sinsull? McGrath? Anybody else?