I'm still waiting for any reasonable answer to the basic question of why, if Saddam's removal was so important, then why didn't the US remove him rather than kill tens upons thousands of *non-Saddams* and ended up entrenched in a terribly destabilzed Iraq pushing, of all things, ahhhh, democracy...

And with democracy, at best a joke in the US, how can it be taught to people by people who don't have a clue about it? Totally unrealistic. And the sad thing? Everyone knows it....

And, Strick, I didn't mean to play the "N" (as in Nazi) card as a way of shifting the discussion away from the focus of this thread. But looking around at what is going down in America, it is valuable to refresh our perspectives of the facsist movement of the 30's and compare things that were going on then to things going on in the US today...

And yeah, the US would rather not be seen as occupiers in countries that it clearly controls...

Bobert