But brucie, if Bush is defeated in 2004, his whole administration goes out with him. That means Cheney, Ashcroft, Wolfowitz, Perle, Rove, and the rest of the Rogues' Gallery. That, of course, doesn't mean they won't be snarling, plotting, attempting character assassination (as they did against Clinton), and trying to claw and finagle their way back in again, but at least that will slow them. This will give those with a bit less greed and testosterone poisoning (and I include Condy Rice and Ann Coulter in that) a chance to try to get things back on track and maybe even not screw up (miracles do happen sometimes).

If, on the other hand, Bush gets re-elected in 2004 (even by foul means, such as a repeat of the 2000 Florida caper or with the help of the no paper-trail Diebold touch-screen voting machines), the neo-Cons will undoubtedly take it as a mandate from the American people and redouble their efforts to plunge this country into a Dark Age of fascist feudalism. (I know, Doug. "The sky is falling.")

By the way, brucie, not to drift the thread, but I've tried to google my way to some information on this MJ-12 business that you keep mentioning and all I seem to be able to come up with are some web sites that read like old "X-Files" scripts. Now, I'm not closed minded about the existence of other intelligent life forms in the universe. In fact, I think it's highly likely. And although I'm highly skeptical of most of what I hear about UFOs, I'm always open to reasonable discussion on any subject. Can you steer me to a web site or two so I can get an idea of what you are referring to?

Don Firth