Joely, just ignore the comments above: these people are old grouches who think their gray hair gives them a right to pontificate--definitely a folkish concept, perhaps a reaction to the fact that we old coots aren't allowed to pontificate in the real world, only in this tiny segment of it. And grouchy though they may be, all the grouches above are really warm, funny, welcoming people: you just touched a nerve there--this is an argument that crops up from time to time bringing out a lot of knee-jerk responses (there are knee-jerks on both sides of the issue, of course, except for me; my opinions are always well considered). --seed