Sorry, not strictly on topic save to say that sadly we couldn't make it to Fred's 'do' but our thoughts were with you all...sounds like a great occasion.

No, John, what I wanted to find out is when exactly is Elsie's anniversary...I know Bob Copper would like to know but so would I, having spent a great deal of time around Markbeech, Horshoe Green and Cowden, for my mum's family come from there. Indeed, and it makes me feel very old to say this, 'Annie's' (as it was known then) is the first pub I was taken into as a babe in arms circa 1949. This clearly was instrumental in the formation of a habit which has proved remarkably difficult to break!