Thanks for putting out that effort, Don. I appreciate it when I read some well-reasoned exposition on a position; I don't understand why the conservative side seems incapable of it.

Bobert, I agree with your conclusion that we *have* to support the candidate in this next election that has a chance at 'overthrowing' (and I don't use the word loosely) the current administration.

Did you see what Jimmy Carter answered in a Time Magazine interview [December 8, 2003]? Because he is friends with him and has advised him, Carter was asked if he supported Howard Dean's bid for the presidency. He said, No. I'm going to support whoever (emphasis mine) I think will have the best chance next November.

It has to do with pragmatics- first, we have to trim the bushes.