Susan knows what works for her and she uses a technique that is effective for a group that is used to singing and to learning new songs. I envy her situation. In my experience, the songleading method is determined by the sophistication of the participants. Here, in Philadelphia, our members have been subjected to years of audience training in lieu of participation. They are allowed to join in occasional choruses and, armed with the "Rise Up Singing" bible, they get to sing "official" versions of "official" songs. (Bitter? Mois?) Just this afternoon, I got a phone call from the PFS, asking me to fill in, at a workshop, for a NYC performer who was snowed in. I found a house full of people who had expected an afternoon of medieval chants (I'm not making this up) and, by using the methods I described to Mr Biberman, I led a sing that ran over three hours non stop with everyone present joining in. It was really easy because singing is fun and, once people get into it, they love it. I might add that the folks, this afternoon, were not used to singing out loud in front of others. Susan and I have been promising one another that we will sing together some day. I look forward to that. She is what the folk community is all about.