McFat - you know what I feel about people in glass houses!Besides with 11 kids she wouldnt have had time for a McDonald shuffle! Your attempt at humour was lost on me too as I didnt know what a minger was!!

Beer tokens are MCFAT's term for money since thats all he buys with it!

Dont like Fry's choclate - prefer Rowntrees another Quaker I believe

Fry did a lot for prison reform but are we any better off because of it?
Child abducted and 18 month sentence reduced 6 months for good behaviour springs to mind. Then released to do it all again!

Also the lowest crime and theft rates in the world are in countrys that still cut off hands for theft and kill for murder!!