The last posting was by me, by the way. I forgot to put my name on it. Incidentally Ken's ok, would you tell us why you are proud of being a London Irish and not being an Englishman? You are born in England afterall. This idea that people feel a stronger loyalty to their city than theier country is not something I have found. All my London friends think of themselves as Englishmen first and Londoners second. I don't suppose anyone here will be joining me in celebrating St George's Day next year, then?