Come off it, dave the Gnome. I didnt say people go to folk clubs to smoke. I specifically agreed that folk clubs should become no-smoking. I just said it's not fair for non-smokers to go into places where people do go to smoke, and tell them not to. I was very obviously not talking about folk clubs, where people go to listen to singing,primarily. I was referring to the Jolly Potters on Hartshill, where people sit in the bar and smoke and drink. That's what people do there. And I dont intend to spend my energy trying to force them to stop, however bad it is for them. They can decide in their own good time.