I think they are aware of the dive in "listenership".   I really think that, to some extent, that is the reason it has become a political show. It is a calculated effort to become relvant to what they thought was their target audience during the Reagan years -- a left that felt marginalized numerically. PHC was a kinder, gentler, NPR type of entertainment.

But it was moderate. And it was gentle. It's neither anymore.