Fair enough, Nerd. I stand corrected, and you are correct to point out that I have lumped a fair amount of people under one heading. I would take exception with one of your terms. I am not sure what you consider a progressive. I consider myself a progressive Democrat, whose views are tempered by a fair amount of pragmatism based on experience. I want to make it clear that I DO NOT consider you a "juvenile whiner". Some of your comments to Frank I found to be intolerant and insulting, but as I said in that thread, the heat of politics does that sometime. I consider you to be an involved Democrat, with a lot of passion for your stances. I am worried when I see us cannibalizing one another. The point about Nader is not that his views didn't have relevance. It is that when the fight, within the system, was over, he chose to go independent and split the party. Among many other mistakes made by us during that campaign, that was one of the decisive ones.

It is my hope that others will do as you have said you will do. The enemy is not Kerry, it is Bush and co.

I apologize for the implication that you are anything other than a committed, caring Democrat.

All the best,

Mick