Ellen:

First, I don't know who you are aiming your "You guys" remark at -- is this the testosterone trip? A lot of people have a lot of intense emotional responses to war ranging from deepest despond and insane grief to Patton's alleged exhileration. It is the most intense personal experience on earth, according to some reports, so why should it surprise you that it becomes the focus of a lot of talk?

You have tried to preempt me from disagreeing with you by telling me I would be lying if I claimed to be a pacifist. Fortunately my attitude toward this war and war in general is documented through my last 1000 posts or so.

I think it is insane. I think glorifying it is insane. I certainly think that launching one preemptively is insane. I thinkl the need for one --such as in 1939 -- is only vlid because of prior insanity. (And insanity is just about my worst insult).

Hope this clears things up a bit.

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