Well Joe, I've never met them in person, but I love them both....and I'm sorry if I pushed an issue here that may have made either of them uncomfortable. I don't want the 'Cat turned into a commercial site either, but Folk-Legacy provides an education, not a product. I value their input and friendship far too much to have even inadvertently offended them. But I hope they can see by the several threads of the past couple of days that this community cherishes their presence. I apologize for being a pushy bastard, but it comes from a past life and every now and again it pokes through....Sorry.Spaw--who hopes that Sandy and Joe will each take an apology in advance for what I said about them on the "Secret of Life is Asking Questions" thread.